CONFLICTED

Thomas expresses his growing conviction that President Trump has utterly mishandled the Iran War, while Aimen describes: how the final, fatal phase of the Islamabad peace talks was a utter humiliation for Trump; what's going on inside the heads of GCC leaders regarding the White House's leadership; and the Islamic Republic's new delay tactics.

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

Produced and edited by Thomas Small.
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to bestselling novelist and historian Jack Carr. A former Navy SEAL sniper, Carr talks about his phenomenal book Targeted: Beirut: The 1983 Marine Barracks Bombing and the Untold Origin Story of the War on Terror as well as his upcoming novel The Fourth Option.

Jack describes:

His path from childhood fascination with war to becoming a U.S. Navy SEAL sniper

SEAL training: Hell Week, mental fortitude, and what separates those who quit from those who don’t

Boarding Iraqi oil tankers: enforcing sanctions at sea and policing the post–Gulf War international order

His experience as a sniper in Iraq and Afghanistan

The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing and its role in shaping modern terrorism and U.S. foreign policy

The mistakes in US counter-terrorism policy: how limited responses can shape enemy strategy over time

From warfighter to writer: how Carr’s military experience informs his novels and nonfiction on the War on Terror

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

This episode was produced by Thomas Small and edited by Alan Leer.
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Aimen describes the counter-coup which has taken place inside the Islamic Republic against Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf, Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, the key to understanding the failure of the Islamabad peace talks.

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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist Jason Burke about his new book The Revolutionists: The Story of the Extremists Who Hijacked the 1970s.

Jason explains:

Why the origins of modern terrorism lie earlier than the Afghan jihad of the 1980s

The global revolutionary ferment of the 1960s and 70s

Why early terrorist attacks were often designed to attract attention rather than cause mass casualties

The role of Palestinian militant groups in pioneering modern tactics like hijacking

Connections between European radicals, Japanese militants, and Middle Eastern groups

How states adapted to terrorism through new counterterrorism measures

The shift from theatrical violence to mass-casualty and suicide attacks

The relationship between secular revolutionary movements and later Islamist militancy

The Iranian Revolution as a turning point in the evolution of political violence

Why many common narratives about the origins of jihadism are incomplete

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

This episode was produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews.
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After the peace talks in Islamabad fail as expected, the United States adopts Plan B: a complete blockade of all Iranian maritime trade. Aimen explains this latest move in the Iran War.

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Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

Produced and edited by Thomas Small.
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