2 Pastors and a Mic

In Episode 290 of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock continue their conversation from last week by exploring what’s underneath our need to be right. They talk about why admitting we’re wrong can feel so uncomfortable, how church culture can turn certainty into a measure of faithfulness, and why disagreement doesn’t have to lead to disrespect or disconnection.

They also unpack research on intellectual humility and why people who are willing to consider that they could be wrong are often more curious, more open to opposing evidence, and more capable of maintaining relationships with people who see the world differently.

The goal isn’t to stop having convictions. It’s learning to hold those convictions without needing everyone else to agree with us.

00:00 - Welcome to Episode 290
01:27 - Why Do We Care So Much About Being Right?
02:11 - What Are We Really Protecting?
04:54 - When You Can Feel Yourself Needing to Win
06:22 - Would You Change Your Mind If You Had To?
08:19 - What Does Being Right Give Us?
10:18 - What Does Being Wrong Make Us Feel?
11:18 - When Being Wrong Feels Threatening
14:35 - Letting People Believe Differently
17:11 - When Being Wrong Becomes a Spiritual Issue
19:51 - When Certainty Becomes Faithfulness
20:01 - Why Does Disagreement Become Disrespect?
20:52 - Can You Respect Someone You Think Is Wrong?
22:58 - What Research Says About Intellectual Humility
24:06 - The Problem With Staying in Our Own Camps
25:18 - Rapid-Fire Questions About Being Wrong
27:38 - Who Changed Your Mind Without Fighting You?
30:04 - Ask One More Question
31:59 - What’s That to You?

Why is it so hard to change our minds?

We like to think our beliefs are simply based on facts, evidence, and what makes the most sense. But changing our minds is rarely that simple. Our beliefs can become connected to our identity, our relationships, our sense of belonging, and even our need to feel safe.

In this episode, Cory and Channock talk about what actually happens when we begin questioning something we’ve believed for years. They share some of the significant ways their own minds have changed—especially around theology—and why curiosity, safe relationships, and becoming comfortable with “I don’t know” have been so important along the way.

00:00 - We’re Back!
02:25 - Summer Updates
05:38 - Why Is It So Hard to Change Our Minds?
07:10 - The Power of Curiosity
10:11 - When Was the Last Time You Changed Your Mind?
12:02 - Why Our Brains Resist New Beliefs
13:21 - Changing Our Minds About Theology
14:31 - When Beliefs Become Part of Our Identity
15:12 - Confirmation Bias and Scripture
16:16 - Beliefs We Can’t Believe We Once Held
19:33 - What Are We Really Protecting?
21:41 - Our Need for Certainty
23:11 - What Makes Changing Your Mind Possible?
26:35 - Is Changing Your Mind a Sign of Maturity?
27:56 - Why Do We Shame Adults for Changing?
29:10 - What Belief Made Your Life More Beautiful?
30:14 - Stop Asking “Am I Right?”
31:42 - Finding Safe People for the Journey

For generations, many of us have been taught that God's wrath is His anger directed toward sinful people. But what if we've misunderstood it?

In this final message of the Reframe series, Cory explores one of the most misunderstood themes in Scripture and asks a simple but profound question: If Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father, what does that mean for how we understand God's wrath?

Looking through the lens of Jesus, this message challenges the idea of an angry, punitive God and presents a different picture—one where God's wrath is His relentless love confronting everything that distorts, enslaves, and dehumanizes us. Rather than destroying people, God's passion is aimed at destroying the lies that keep us from knowing who we've always been.

Together, we explore:
• What the Bible actually means by "wrath"
• Why Romans 1 says God "gave them over"
• How Jesus redefined God's character
• Why the cross reveals reconciliation, not divine retaliation
• The difference between fear-driven religion and love-driven transformation
• How God's consuming fire purifies instead of punishes

00:00 - Introduction & Why We're Revisiting Reframe
02:35 - My Journey of Unlearning and Relearning
06:20 - Week 5: Reframing God's Wrath
09:28 - From Fear-Driven Thinking to Peace-Filled Living
12:25 - What If Wrath Isn't God's Anger?
15:35 - The Church's View of Wrath Changed
16:19 - God Is Love, God Is Light
17:52 - The Meaning of "Wrath" in Scripture
19:10 - Romans: Wrath as Natural Consequences
21:32 - Jerusalem, 70 AD & Rejecting Love
24:00 - God's Fire Purifies, Not Punishes
25:11 - Jesus Corrects the Old View of Wrath
29:01 - The Cross Reveals God's True Heart
32:04 - The Old Lens vs. The New Lens
33:29 - Living From Love Instead of Fear
38:09 - Closing Prayer & Final Encouragement

In this message from our Reframe series, we tackle one of the most foundational beliefs many Christians have never questioned: Were you actually born with a sinful nature?

For many of us, the Christian story began in Genesis 3—with sin, shame, and separation. But what if the biblical story actually begins in Genesis 1—with blessing, identity, and belovedness?

Together, we explore the history of the doctrine of original sin, the biblical case for original blessing, what the Greek word hamartia (sin) really means, and why your understanding of your identity shapes the way you experience God, yourself, and others.

This conversation isn't about minimizing sin. It's about asking whether we've misunderstood its origin, its purpose, and ultimately the good news of the Gospel.

In this episode we discuss:
- Why the biblical story begins with blessing before brokenness
- Original blessing vs. original sin
- What hamartia actually means in the Greek
- Did Adam pass down a sinful nature—or a distorted story?
- Why Romans should be read as one complete argument
- The difference between "flesh" and "sin nature"
- How identity, not shame, becomes the starting point for transformation
- Why Jesus came to reveal who you've always been

00:00 – Welcome & Introducing the Reframe Series
02:26 – You've Always Been in Union
04:29 – Why This Series Is Challenging
06:08 – Learning to Think, Not What to Think
08:31 – The Purpose of Reframe
10:35 – You Were Not Born Sinful
12:28 – Does the Bible Begin with Sin or Blessing?
14:06 – Original Blessing vs. Original Sin
16:35 – What Does "Sin" Actually Mean?
20:03 – Adam Didn't Pass Down a Sin Nature
22:28 – Understanding Romans Correctly
27:47 – Adam's Story vs. Jesus' Story
28:38 – What Does "Flesh" Really Mean?
30:03 – Scriptures Supporting Original Blessing
35:27 – Living from Blessing Instead of Shame
39:15 – Prayer & Final Encouragement
40:10 – The Ministry of Reconciliation
41:44 – Church Announcements & Closing

What if God's judgment has never been about condemning you—but restoring you?

For many of us, the word judgment immediately triggers fear. We picture a courtroom, a guilty verdict, and a God waiting to punish our failures. But what if that's not the picture Jesus revealed?

In this message from our Reframe series, Cory challenges one of the most deeply held assumptions in modern Christianity by exploring what Scripture actually says about God's judgment. Looking through the lens of Jesus, he asks whether judgment is primarily retributive or restorative, and how that answer changes everything about the way we relate to God.

Along the way, you'll discover:
- Why fear has become such a common motivator in Christianity.
- How church history shaped our understanding of judgment.
- The difference between a courtroom and a family room.
- Why Henry's adoption story became a powerful picture of God's judgment.
- A fresh look at passages like 2 Corinthians 5, John 3, John 5, and Revelation.
- How Jesus reveals a God whose judgment restores identity instead of destroying people.

00:00 - Introduction & Reframe Series
05:03 - Why This Series Matters
07:31 - Reframing Judgment
09:26 - The Goal: From Fear to Freedom
10:50 - Review: The Battlefield, the Devil & Death
15:04 - God's Judgment Is Restorative
16:03 - Henry's Adoption Changed Everything
19:30 - The Gavel That Changed My Theology
21:00 - Three Church Splits That Shaped Christianity
24:30 - Courtroom or Family Room?
26:33 - Jesus Reveals God's Judgment
28:14 - What About the Great White Throne?
29:17 - Rethinking 2 Corinthians 5
32:22 - The Ministry of Reconciliation
34:27 - Stop Trying to Earn God's Favor
36:01 - Ambassadors, Not Soldiers
37:16 - Judgment Reveals Your True Identity
39:50 - The Sound of the Gavel
41:02 - You Are More Beloved Than You Think
43:15 - This Week's Challenge
45:25 - Closing Prayer
46:14 - Final Encouragement & Next Week's Preview