This conversation with Rage Against the Machine/Audioslave guitarist-songwriter Tom Morello took place immediately after the final preview of the new punk-metal-hip-hop musical, Revolution(s) at Chicago’s Goodman Theatre. Little did Morello, whose music propels the show, and playwright Zayd Ayers Dohrn know when they began work on Revolution(s) that it would be opening in a freshly militarized Chicago. With characteristic passion and insight, Morello reflects on his history of writing politically charged music and weighs the impact it still might have. He also digs into how he got such mind-bending sounds from a guitar and became an artist in the process; what he learned from touring and recording with Bruce Springsteen; how he spearheaded Black Sabbath’s final all-star “Back to the Beginning” show just 17 days before Ozzy Osborne died; and what happened when Morello told off Cubs ownership from a benefit concert stage in 2014.
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Peter Guralnick
Peter Guralnick, an author I've long admired, wrote the definitive Elvis Presley biographies Last Train to Memphis and Careless Love and has returned with The Colonel and the King. Drawing on fresh research and volumes of previously unseen letters, the author casts new light on Colonel Tom Parker, an identity-changing Dutch immigrant who became Presley’s manager for life. Guranick’s complex portrait of Colonel (not “the Colonel”) will surprise anyone who thinks of him as an all-controlling ripoff artist. Here, Guralnick discusses his own relationship with Parker and bats around questions such as how Colonel’s constant deal-making affected Elvis’s artistry. Was Colonel exploiting his client or doing what he had to do to keep the free-spending singer afloat? What roles did each of their addictions play in their professional relationship? Guralnick’s expertise and enthusiasm on these topics is unrivaled. (Photo by Mike Leahy)
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Peter Orner
I’ve been a Peter Orner fan for a long time, appreciating how—whether he’s writing short stories, novels or essays—he makes every word count. Stories and chapters are short, sentences lean, zero fat. His justly acclaimed new novel, The Gossip Columnist’s Daughter, springs from the apparent 1963 murder of Karyn “Cookie” Kupcinet, the real-life daughter of Chicago Sun-Times columnist and TV personality Irv “Kup” Kupcinet and his wife, Essie. The narrator is an author whose grandparents had been close to the Kupicinets, as Orner’s grandparents were. The Chicago Tribune’s Christopher Borelli calls The Gossip Columnist’s Daughter “the most Chicago novel I’ve ever read.” What drove Orner to blur fiction with fact in this particular past? How much is he messing with us? Has anyone reacted about the real-life figures portrayed, not always complimentarily? In this lively conversation, Orner still makes every word count. (Photo by Ricardo Siri)
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Emma Swift
Emma Swift is a sublime singer of her own songs as well as those of Bob Dylan, as she demonstrates on her new album, The Resurrection Game, and the previous Blonde on the Tracks. She says The Resurrection Game is about “how art can get us through quite brutal experiences by making them beautiful”—i.e. what a lot of us need right now. Swift tells of her Australian upbringing and influences, how she wound up in Nashville and what her musical and personal life is like there with her husband, singer-songwriter Robyn Hitchcock. She describes him as surreal and nihilistic, herself as languid and romantic. Do their sensibilities rub off on one another? Do they sing and write together at home? How did she wind up running their record label, Tiny Ghost Records? And which new song was inspired by a Wilco title?
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Scott McCaughey 2025
Scott McCaughey returns to Caropop as busy as ever. He’s currently on the Baseball Project/Minus 5 September Doubleheader tour, with each band consisting of Steve Wynn, Peter Buck, Mike Mills, Linda Pitmon and McCaughey. This comes after a three-week jaunt in England with Luke Haines and Buck and another Minus 5 variant. He also has recorded an upcoming Young Fresh Fellows album on the heels of the Minus 5’s Oar On, Penelope, which delivers jubilant power pop in contrast to the disorientation of 2019’s Stroke Manor. McCaughey tells of how he writes differently since his 2017 stroke, what it’s like to tour two bands with the same personnel at the same time and whether they all take turns choosing the music in the van. He also shares a couple of illuminating anecdotes about what it’s like to travel this country at this very moment.
There may be nothing more inspiring and entertaining than relaxed, candid conversations among creative people. Mark Caro, a relentlessly curious journalist and on-stage interviewer, loves digging into the creative process with artists and drawing out surprising stories that illuminate the work that has become part of our lives. The Caropopcast is for anyone who wants to dig deeper into the music, movies, food and culture that they love.
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